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Sunday, 1 March 2020

The Orient of Kings, Reference WE0031FS


Royal Orient. A name that to many Orient fans is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; and, at the same time, a true holy grail – not any less, and perhaps even more, since the demise of this sub-brand about four years ago.

Attempting to satisfy the appetite for information on this royal line of watches, and to lift up some of the mystique surrounding it, I have on occasion discussed Royal Orient on the blog, looked at the royal movements and even speculated on the reasons for its disappearance.  Today we're taking one step further to look at the actual beast. Or rather, beauty.



Royal Orient ref. WE0031FS was produced for around a year, between 2007-8 (and then replaced with the near identical WE0061FS for another year or so). It was a member of a small family of "FS" models, driven by caliber 40Z60:  21,600 VPH movement, automatic, hand-winding and hacking, featuring the time, small seconds, power reserve, and an open heart.

Adjusted to an accuracy of -5/+10 seconds a day, this caliber claimed much better performance than its non-royal siblings. It also featured slightly improved finishing – specifically, Geneva stripes on the rotor and base-plate. Not anything you've not seen before, but it's nice compared to the backside of most Orients.



If you examine the open heart closely, you'll notice the visible part of the movement too is not different from what you'll see in an Orient Star; however in this model, the golden decorated frame around the aperture definitely adds considerable glitter.



The overall design of the watch is clearly inspired by Gerald Genta's Royal Oak. This is not unlike countless watchmaking brands, both obscure and quite prestigious, which over the last five decades or so got similar inspiration – some producing very close copies, some trying to keep a certain distance from the very recognizable origin.

I think it is fair to say that while Orient did not try too hard to hide the Royal Oak lines, it did inject a lot of their own DNA into it. Between the power reserve and semi-skeletonized dial, this is an unmistakable Orient.



Obviously, the most noticeable and glorious part of the watch is the dial. Seen from a couple of feet away, it appears deep, matte blue, contrasting beautifully with the rose-gold plated markers and hands. Look at it a little closer, and it reveals a kind of sandpaper texture. But one needs to examine it under the magnifying glass to understand how elaborately decorated this dial really is; you then see the different patterns, some wavy, some radial, and the true make-up of the paint job – a kind of microscopic spraying of light and dark blue pigments over a black background, which really looks like nothing else I've seen in watch dials.

Indeed, if there is one element in this watch that is truly comparable to a Grand Seiko it is this dial, not just because of its beauty, but in its design approach: one where almost invisibly minute details mesh together to form a very clear, visible impression of quality.



The higher finishing of the watch is also evident in other elements. The 41.4mm wide, 11.7mm thick case for instance, features mostly brushed and fairly complex surfaces, with nicely polished chamfering all round; the bezel is stepped, polished on the sides and finely brushed on top.

The hands and markers are very finely finished. The smaller hands of the power reserve indicator and seconds are smoothly polished, as are the hour markers; the hour and minute hands are brushed and filled with lume, and while they perhaps lack the total surgical precision of Grand Seiko hands, they definitely look fantastic and their three-dimensionality adds depth to the dial.



Crystals are of course sapphire, front and back. The 20mm strap is fine crocodile leather, padded to just the right amount; and attached to it is a very comfortable and easy to use folding buckle.



All this makes the Royal Orient WE0031FS a joy to wear. Its size and color scheme provide it substantial wrist presence, however it never feels too big or heavy.



Back when it was new, this model would cost around 1,500 USD; other references of the FS line cost a little higher as they came with a steel bracelet. Finding any FS reference today is incredibly difficult, as they very rarely surface on eBay or other e-commerce platforms, and when they do – you might see prices exceeding the original price tag.

I wouldn't say that paying 2,000 USD or more for this watch would make a lot of sense; however, sense is hardly part of the equation here. You'd usually pay more than 2,000 USD for the simplest of Grand Seiko's mechanical pieces if in good condition – and this Royal Orient here is perhaps lacking in some departments compared to the Grand, but definitely makes up for it in its exclusivity (and I honestly think it looks better than most basic black / silver dial GS).

I definitely paid much less than the price tag for my FS, which just goes to show that opportunities do pop up once in a while, and one has to keep one's eyes open if one is ever to get hold of one's grail!

It had a few scratches (which are barely visible to the naked eye) but came with the original box and papers and strap, does about +2 seconds a day, and is probably as well kept, if not better, than if I had bought it new and worn it since 2007…



If you are shopping for Royal Orients, pay attention not to be mistaken by the NA line. Royal Orient NA, such as ref. WE0051NA, look very similar to the FS except having central, not small, seconds, and will probably sell for much less; however they are in fact the ladies' version, they are beautiful but less than 32mm in diameter. Both FS and NA line-ups were actually mentioned on the blog before…

The bottom line? This is definitely a very exceptional piece of watchmaking by Orient. Beautiful, impressive, wearable and highly enjoyable. Was it worth, as new, about double the price of comparable semi-skeleton Orient Stars? From a very simplistic, formal point of view, probably not. Orient Stars offer fantastic value for money and mostly very good quality and finesse. However, when you consider the added value of rarity; when you remember that in watchmaking, as in most products, price rises exponentially with every marginal increase of quality; and when you take another good look at that stunning blue dial – things start to make sense for the Royal one.


Thursday, 20 February 2020

Use of Orient Movements by Other Brands?


Note: some editing and added information following a clarification Email we received today (Feb. 20) from Orient!


Orient's movements have, for many years, been very much exclusive to Orient's own watches. That is, except of course for movements originating outside of Orient (like the Seiko 6S chronograph movements, or the old Peseux 7001 once used in Royal Orient).

Recently it appeared as though Orient has started to sell movements to other watchmaking companies. We're looking today at two such examples, Vostok Europe and Master Works, where very similar movements were put to use.

Vostok Europe is a Lithuanian manufacturer with distant historical link to the Russian Vostok manufacture. Their current line-up which includes many mechanical pieces at generally affordable prices spans various movement sources, including Swiss and Russian; lately, they began boasting Seiko Epson movements in a number of their models.



These immediately drew attention as they were not any of the familiar Seiko Instruments (SII) movements, and show a great similarity to Orient movements.

The movement listed as "Seiko Epson Y85" looks very much like the Orient F6N44, 22 Jewel, 40 hour reserve, central seconds and date-wheel movement. Interestingly, the Vostok specs indicate accuracy of -10 / +30 seconds a day, versus the -15 / +25 typically stated by Orient. Being the same 40 seconds range, it seems to be a preference for off-the-shelf regulation geared more towards running fast than slow.

The movement listed as "Seiko Epson Y84" seems to be a bit of a mixed bag, as it carries both features of Orient F6 movements, and a 24-hour display on the dial – a combination I've not seen in current Orients. Could it be a SII (Seiko) movement? Doesn't look like it, as the visible bridge in the open-heart version of it looks just like the F6 bridge (SII open-hearts show a bridge just like the old 46 movements).

Interestingly the exact same movement seems to be driving some models from a lesser known Japanese brand name, "Master Works", although their website does not mention the "Y84" caliber name. It does however mention "Seiko Epson" (not SII or Seiko), just like the VE website, and as neither Seiko (the watches) nor SII / TMI (the movements) are produced under "Seiko Epson" – whereas – it seems these calibers are originating much closer to Orient.



Now, why would Seiko-Epson suddenly start selling these movements? Well, why not. If the manufacturer can get a stable external demand for its movements and thus increase its production volume and get lower per-unit cost, it makes good business sense. And from the point of view of independent brands like Vostok Europe and Master Works, it makes sense as they can obtain good reliable movements which are fairly unique, allowing them to offer more "interesting" designs with power reserve indicators and semi-skeleton dials.

So are these Orient movements, or just close relatives? Well, we got the clarification from Orient earlier today...

First of all, Orient emphasizes that the brand's automatic movements are still exclusive to ORIENT watches.

While the architectural and functional similarities between the movements noted above are real, there are significant differences between the Seiko-Epson Corporation's F6-based movements, and the actual F6 calibers used in Orient watches:

  • Rotor shape and its finishing
  • Finishing of some parts including a semi-skeleton bridge
  • Better accuracy in the Orient movements 

Watch photos taken from the respective brands' websites. The blog thanks Orient - Epson Europe for their contribution and clarification.

Friday, 14 February 2020

New Model Announced: Orient Star "Basic Date"

Orient today announces a new line of Orient Star watches, dubbed "Basic Date". The OS Basic Date features a nice mix of sporty and dressy / elegant characteristics, making it kind of an "everyday wear to the office". Read below for all the details!


The line-up includes five references, and we'll start with the common details: The steel case is 42mm wide (so larger than most dressy, "classic" Orient Stars) and 11.5mm thick, and its 21mm-wide lugs are attached to a solid link steel bracelet. Front crystal is Sapphire, while the back is mineral glass.

The Basic date is driven by automatic, hacking and hand-winding caliber F6N43. Other than time and (as the model name implies) date, it also features an indication of its 50 hour power reserve. As usual, Orient declares -15/+25 seconds per day accuracy.

The specific references introduced today include (EU references) RE-AU0401S with a white dial and gold toned bezel and markers; RE-AU0402B with a black dial; RE-AU0403L with a navy blue dial; RE-AU0404N with a grey dial; and perhaps the most uniquely colored RE-AU0405E, featuring a two-tone case and bracelet and a green dial.




As usual, the official catalog pictures are mostly unflattering, but we can expect the product to look very good in person. The cases appear complex and multi-faceted, and it seems that the date wheels are not all the same color, instead they match the dial colors nicely

No information on pricing yet, but this would probably be known shortly as the Orient Star Basic Date is due to hit stores in May this year. 

Tuesday, 11 February 2020

Shopping For Orient Watches? Check This Out



Amazing couple of Royal Orients, aren't they? In coming months we'll be covering both of these, and much more. But now that we've got your attention, here is some cool stuff if you are looking to buy some more down-to-earth Orients.


Special Coupon for Blog Readers at TUS Watches

TUS Watches are UK-based distributors who deal solely with Orient, which is already a good thing... They have a nice selection of models, including some current Orient Star references.

TUS are now kindly offering Orient Place blog readers an additional 10% discount on prices shown, for all models, valid until February 29, 2020. Use coupon code OrientPlace2020 to receive your discount, at https://www.tuswatches.com/

If you take advantage of this offer, you're most welcome to share your shopping experience at TUS with us!


Valentines's Day Sale at Orient Watch USA

Orient Watch USA need no introduction. They are now offering a special 10% discount on all watches, for Valentine's Day, valid now and until February 14, 2020.

To take advantage of this offer, use coupon code VAL2020 at https://www.orientwatchusa.com/

Again, you're welcome to share your experiences shopping with Orient Watch USA with us.


Meanwhile in Singapore...

Antique Watch Bar are an old favorite of ours. They are based out of Singapore and ship worldwide at really great prices. If you are looking for affordable vintage and pre-owned Orients, you should check them out, once in a while.

Currently on their Vintage Orient page are some nice watches, including a couple of Fineness models, very cool Olympia Weekly examples, and a good looking Deluxe Swimmer. And more...

For new models, Big Time are the local distributors of Orient in Singapore. They recently shared our review of the new Orient Star 200m Diver with their Facebook followers. Check them out!



These couple of divers, too, have nothing to do with today's post, but they are cool aren't they... We'll be covering more of the history of Orient's divers, and particularly this King Diver, later in 2020!